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thee democr theocratic order? now he charges socialists and communists joining the bush. but wait a minute, doesn't glenn beck said obama pushes the socialist agenda? his stuff is loony. loony toon. that's "hardball" more politics ahead with cenkuyger. more violence in egypt. journalists attacked, aid workers attacked and there's expected to be huge protests tomorrow. tomorrow is the big, big day. it's more important than ever that mubarak leave now. and the u.s. government has got to do everything possible to make that happen. earlier today, it was a scene of pitch battles between supporters and opponents of the government. we'll have a live report from cairo in just a second. also tonight, the republicans end their massive hypocrisy on the budget.
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i'm going to break it down iffer you and show you how their budget makes no sense. and the conservatives have the nerve to attack president obama on egypt, given what they've done in foreign policy? i'm going to rip them apart. first, based on the events today, i think mubarak is finally done. the army threw out the pro-mubarak supporters from the tahrir square late last night. they stopped the violence that was coming from the pro-mubarak guys. and if nub must be hmubarak has army, and that's a big if for a long time, he has lost, period. i think we might be on the cusp of actually getting mubarak out. now, late today, he gave an almost laughable last-ditch excuse to stay in power. holed up inside his heavily guarded palace, mubarak told abc news, quote, i am fed up. after 62 years in public service, i have had enough. i want to go. if i resign today, there will be chaos. right now i care about my country.
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what an absolute joke this is. public service? you ran the country like a dictator for 29 years. that isn't public service. and creating chaos? you're the one creating chaos. they're protesting you. please spare us with the oh, i'm so selfless. i must protect my country. here's how you protect the country. you leave. meanwhile, mubarak's right hand man omar sulieman is trying to protect the power vacuum. rueters says, quote, addressing the protestors he says we thank you for what you did. you are the spark which ignited reform, but the protestors demands have been met and now it's time to go home. again, another joke. none of their demands have been met. mubarak is still in office. his cronies are still in office, still in power. and from my point of view, i hope the protestors stay and that they stay long enough to throw mubarak out and sulieman
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with him. right now, doctors are setting up makeshift hospitals in the street. they report ten people dead, and 800 more have been wounded. those people in there are unbelievably brave. and the journalists are being roughed up and forced underground. it's a clear attempt to scare them away from covering the thugs beating up the demonstrators. despite this violence, a massive rally is planned tomorrow. a showdown in cairo is coming. all right, joining me now is senator robert casey of pennsylvania. he's a member of the senate foreign relations committee. good to be with you. >> first, i have to ask what senator leahy said. he said the pipeline of aid will be cut off in congress in a matter of weeks or months. is that true? is that what's going to happen? >> i can't predict the future, but i'll say this. very few americans are not able to view what's happening in the streets of cairo and alexandria
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and other places. when we make determinations about funding, all of this -- all of this evidence will be part of that decision. so i'm not going to predict what will happen, but i think it's a question that the united states congress now has to face and we will. >> senator leahy also mentioned that president obama can cut that pipeline of aid at anytime on any given day. do you have any idea whether he's considering that or already has done that. >> i really don't know, but the congress as an independent, separate branch of government is going to have to make this decision this year. and look, one of the most important things we've got to focus on right now is making every effort we can, directly or indirectly to bring about stability. and that stability will lead to the kind of change that i know the egyptian people will not just hope for but are putting their lives at risk in some instances to bring about,
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political reform. reform so that have the rights that we take for granted here in the united states can be part of the fabric of egypt, which is a great country and is suffering mightily right now. >> so senator casey, let's talk about the stability you're mentioning. what's our ideal? who would be the caretaker if mubarak were to step down. as we transition to come incy. the election in zen months who rules in that seven months between now and then if mubarak steps aside? >> i don't think we know the name of a person, necessarily. i don't think anyone has emerged yet. but what should happen, what makes the most sense is some kind of administrative body that can be make this transition. representation by civil authorities, representation by civil society, the people that -- some of the people i met with when we were in cairo going
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back into july, where they were telling us about the problems they have in everyday life. they should be represented. and of course, that includes many of the leaders who have brought about this movement we're seeing played out on the television. and if you have an administrative body that can bridge from here to there, so to speak, from where we are now to a time when there's going to be elections and move up that calendar so you're not waiting six months or nine months, you can get it done in a few month, then someone will eherj merge fr from that process, then i'm sure they can find someone who will not only run the government but keep out extwreemism and make sure that international agreements are abided by and that they're not put at risk because of a change in government. >> i get that the president is in a tough situation, the united states government is in to tough situation, not just because of the stability we need in egypt
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and the allies we have in the region, but also because look, honestly, we're allies with a lot of other dictators in the middle east. and they don't want to see we'll pull away from them the minute there's a protest. how do you thread that needle? >> i think you analyzed it well. it's very difficult. anyone who thinks there's a guide book and they can do it better should try it. it's difficult, especially for the united states but really for our country and the congress as well. we've got to do everything possible to speak with one voice to make sure that we're being constructive. we can't tell the egyptian people what to do and we can't tell the government what to do. but i'm sure there are a lot of back channel conversations about putting in place a structure to get from here to elections.
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and then you can have a new era that comes about in egypt in a way that's consistent with what has to be stability and security within the region. i think a lot of that starts with making sure these sbe national agreements, especially as it makes to israel or adhered to. >> if they transition to sulieman, is that basically the same thing as mubarak? is that not good enough? well, suleiman is a smart and capable person. in my judgment, this is my opinion, i don't think he would as a figure be the right transitional figure to lead that. he might play a role and today he gave a speech and i guess is trying to play a role, but this would have to be a group of people that has a broad
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consensus or there's a consensus underneath of a broad coalition of leaders. part of that is military, part is civilian leadership and part are folks leading the reform effort to get from a period of violence and discord and last night, a lot of anarchy on the streets to a position where they can elect their leaders and move forward into a bright and positive future for egypt. >> i totally agree with that. >> joining me now on the phone from cairo is lester holt. i know they' been attacking journalists all day today. can you tell us who the attacks have come from? do you guys know? and what has been the result? >> well, there's been many anecdotal reports, but there's been a pattern of some of the same people who perpetrated the violence in the square primarily yesterday.
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we've algs had reports of journalists who have been det n detained, arrested by security forces. i haven't witnessed anything myself, but it's very durping. it's very difficult. there's a reason i'm on the phone instead of in front of the camera right now. there's a crackdown on the ability to get out the message. tomorrow is a big day and some would argue this is all a build-up because tomorrow after friday prayer, there's a call for anti-government forces to come to the square. and so there's a fear in the government in's going to be a major demonstration. the thought perhaps is to shut off the messengers who who you would bring that story. but we were witness to pretty intense fighting today, one of the major bridges that crosses the nile to the island here.
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the military pulled back from the square at one point. tonight, it's pretty calm. it's noisy. we can hear what we think the anti-government protestors from the scare itself, they're chanting and singing and having speeches. it looks as if the pro-mubarak forces have pulled back. there's not been much intense fighting. it's been a while since we heard gunfire out here. let's hope we' seen the worst of it. although tomorrow could be a rough day here. >> if the military pulls back, and lets the mubarak forces commit violence, then obviously they're on the side of mubarak to some degree and that spells a lot of trouble.
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now, the fact that they're letting the journalists be intimidated and run out. that's a very bad sign. but on the other hand, they removed the pro-mubarak protestors from the square. i take that to be an excellent sign. any idea where the military stands on this? >> it's hard to say. a mob was just dragging a guy away. i think these kwr anti-government protestors who were dragging a man on the other side away, and they were beating him, but they were essentially dragging him to a mull tear checkpoint. and the military guys reach the oud and grabbed him, almost in a rescue kind of a role. that's what it appeared to me. then it happened again, we saw that. so we've seen them act in that kind of role, but not being very proactive. the only thing we've seen is they will fire their weapons occasionally over the tops of the crowd if they feel like they're being overrun.
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but certainly nothing to harm anyone. you know, they pulled back at one point then they came back in. then a few hours later, a tank racing across the bridge at high speed firing his weapon. it's really, really hard to get a sense of what their marching orders are. during the height of the battle, we saw one big abrams tank pull up under an overpass to take shelter. excuse me? you've got people fighting on either side of stones and the tank is taking shelter. so just very odd images here. >> yeah, an absolute bizarre twist to this. you're basically in the middle of a civil war with the army in the middle not doing anything. 6 it's amazing. it's fascinating. but nbc's lester holt, great reporting. appreciate it. for more, like me bring in the washington bureau chief.
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let me start with this. everybody is talking about the military rightfully so. i was very encouraged when the military basically cleared the pro mubarak protestors, did not allow them to continue the violence. i took that as mubarak is on his last days. first, was i overoptimist nick that analysis last night? >> you may have been. >> look, i think there's a huge debate within the military, too. there's a concern -- i heard this from well placed sources if the military doesn't move, maybe the mubarak's party, people in the interior ministry, the thugs we've seen yesterday and today may move, too, on their own. we've heard the infamous phrase, presidential guard in connection with the old iraq.
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so there is some concern that military officer r officers would like to avoid bloodshed while the whole world is watching. i can tell you from watching what's taking place that our people, the pure roe was ransacked along with other kwur r bureaus. they were chasing the reporters. they chased them when they found out that they sought refuge in a nearby hotel. there's a mood of intimidation. they're confiscating equipment. it could be a prelude to a huge crackdown on friday, tomorrow. it's dubbed tomorrow, which in arabic is departure friday. that's the departure of hosni mubarak. and this could mean that the regime is planning to do something awful and they want to do it in the dark. >> right. i got to jump in there and ask you one quick question there. because yes, we're all worried about what's going to happen tomorrow and they don't want any
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eyes on it. i got that. now, as far as the military, though, everybody is talking about them as if the only thing they care about is the country. let's keep it real. they care about their money. mubarak has given them contracts before, yet a lot of their money comes from the u.s. talk about how that plays out. which side does that fall on? and is that the most important consideration. ? >> as someone who watches the region and cares for it, i have a jaundiced view of arab militaries in general. they are fat, lazy and good at internal oppression. maybe this army is better than the one in syria, or the army of saddam hussein which killed people en masse. they live in villas and they have all sorts of perks. and it's your tax dollar money and my tax dollar money. which by the way is not awful in that the united states should
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have influence with the senior officer corps. >> fortunately we have to leave it right there. but i think you hit the nail on the head. and i hope we can use that influence to get the mubarak government out. thank you so much for joining us. really appreciate it. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] will women switch to new caltrate soft chews because they have 20% more calcium per chew than viactiv or for the delicious flavors like chocolate truffle and vanilla creme? mmm. -mmm. -mmm. [ female announcer ] hard to say really. new caltrate soft chews, we put the yum in calcium. new caltrate soft chews, but you can still refinance to a fixed rate as low as 4.5% at, where customers save an average of $293 a month. call lendingtree today. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and from national.
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>> we will also get right to work to reduce the deficit which next year alone will save the
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tax payers $100 billion. >> cut government spending to prestimulus, prebailout levels, saving immediately $100 billion. >> now that was during the elections. then the republicans kept saying we're going to cut $100 billion. trust me, trust me. well, i didn't. i didn't trust them. i didn't believe it for a second. and the gop went on to make that promise a center piece of their pledge to america, saying they would make the cuts to f they win control of the house in midterms. today they announced their actual plan. turns out, they could only find $32 billion in cuts. look at that. what a shame. they said no, no, no. we're going to actually cut $58 billion, but there's only eight months. if you do the math it's only 32, but we should get credit for more and it's almost close to
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$100 billion. no, it's not. it's not close. $400 billion is how much the republicans added alone by insisting on the bush tax cuts. so let me do the math for you. $400 billion minus $32 billion. that equals $100 billion in cuts? i know republicans think math has a liberal bias. but the committee chairman paul ryan should do the real math and here's the real math. $400 billion minus $32 billion meaning they they have $368 billion to make up to get to square one. and then the republicans would still have to find another $100 billion to make good on the real promise, the promise you just saw. but let's just leave all that aside. and look at the $400 billion they added to the deficit. they took out a whopping 8% from that $400 million.
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wow. when republicans say they care about balancing the budget, it is simply not true. it isn't within miles of true. they just put another $368 billion hole in the budget and that was mainly to help the rich. they are the ones who believe in redistributing wealth, giving tax breaks to the rich and then cutting programs to the middle class. that's gop 101. by the way, paul ryan hasn't even said exactly where the $32 billion in cuts is going to come from. he says that will be up to the different committees to figure out. bold, very, bold. but they have indicated they're coming to the epa first. taxes ftarks cuts for the rich. pollution for you. you see i'm worked up. tell me where i'm wrong. this isn't $100 billion, is it? >> what we're witnessing is what i call -- and i'm trying to trademark this. the fiscal clown show. one of those deal where is the little car comes up and one clown comes out and another.
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and they're every stripe, conservative republicans, moderate republicans. and actually president obama himself has played a big role until this, because the first thing that happened after the election, he was saying well, we're not going to let taxes -- the tax cuts extend for those above $250,000 because hey, our deficit is above $1 trillion. then, of course, he signed off on that. so this is a bipartisan fiscal clown show affair. and i think what people need to know about the deficit hawks is that 98.5% of them are not serious or to be believed. it's something you wield at a cugel to have hit your opponent over the head with. then when time comes to govern, it's never a good time to cut taxes or spending. there's a famous line, give me chasity but not quite yet. live me austerity, but not until after the next election. >> there's three real deficit
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hawks in the country and i'm one of them. i don't believe in any of the tax cuts. i didn't want them for the rich or even the middle class. because it puts a $400 billion hole in the budget and we can't deal with that. the president said we'll give reasonable tax rates but two years from now. but having said that, the republican party, this is their big thing. this is what they run on. look, i'm the guy who balanced the budget. but they've never balanced the budget. reagan didn't balance the budget, george bush didn't balance the budget. are nay stupid or do they think their followers are stupid? who can't do math? >> that's a difficult choice. maybe it's both. the difficult thing is governing, which they haven't had to do the last couple of years and they did a poor job of, it's much harder than campaigning. you see this with health care. they've been saying for a year, we're going to repeal and replace. well, they vote to repeal, the
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replacement is something they haven't had time to work something out. they run on the balanced budget, rolling it back to 2008. there have's a difference between saying we shall not spend an "x" amount of money. paul ryan can say that without implementing it. and the approach aye tors saying this line is going down 80%, this line is going down 50%. nobody seems to have gone through that exercise. that was always put off until after the election. and i think actually, we're now in a situation where they're going to say well, look, the senate is not going to take it up. and obama is not going to sign whatever we do anyway, so really, what's the point. it's symbolic without saying by the way, we want to cut education spending 90%. >> right, we would be really tough, except for the democrats. oh, we would balance the budget
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but these republicans! either way, we had to give the tax cuts to the rich. this is redistribution of the wealth. when it comes to cut, you say i've got to cut entitlements and social security, i've got to give you more pollution. isn't that redistribution of wealth to the top? >> the misdirection is even beyond that. we hear people say we have an entitlements problem. that's going to sink us in the long term. social security, aside from not being 234 trouble has helped keep us solvent for all these years. over the last 20 year, these surpluses have built up, they don't put them in the lock box that also gore talks about. if we hadn't been spending that social security surplus, the national debt would be even larger. so there is a lot of misdirection about who needs to pay and whose hide that should come out of to deal with the long-term structural imbalances that we have. >> absolutely right. and they're going to come to raid social security and say
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sorry, the money is gone. when that happens, i'm going to explode. you think i'm angry now, wait till you get a load of me then. thanks so much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> when one of these two men have a stronger record on illegal immigration? here's a hint to all my friends on the right. it's not the guy you think. fact whence we return on this issue. plus, the latest problem republicans have with also gore's position on global warming. apparently it's his personal life. this gop for not acting on climate change takes the cake. i literally couldn't believe it when i heard it. i'll tell you what it is. ( voices overlapping )
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speak to your doctor. >> first, we have a good news update for you guys. today, politico reported, the modifier forcible will be dropped so that the exemption covers all forms of rape, as well as in cases of incest and the danger to the life of the mother. aren't they merciful? they will now consider all rape to be covered. somewhere generous. and the hyde amendment dependent allow abortions to be covered anyway. which republican toltd the biggest most ridiculous lie this week?
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congratulations senator mark kirk of illinois, come on down! the newly elected senator voted for a cap and trade bill back in 2009 when he was in the house. now he's totally flip flopped and he says al s al gore made h it. really? he said, quote, the consensus behind the climate change bill collapsed and nen further deteriorated with the personal and political collapse of vice president gore. kirk voted for cap and trade in '09. al gore got separated from his wife in 2010 so senator kirk doesn't care about climate change anymore. seriously, is that a joke? if that's how he makes his decisions, then he should be recalled right now. well, i agree with that bill, but al gore likes to get massages so all of a sudden i don't like the bill anymore. what do you care about what al gore does? why would that affect how you vote on a bill at all? how incredibly shallow are you? look, the good people of illinois, now you know how your
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on this issue is forthcoming, right? right? i'm still waiting. we'll see how that turns out. now when we come back, from reagan to rumsfeld, the republican record in the middle east has been a complete and utter failure. and conservatives have the nerve to criticize president obama on egypt? i'm going to make them regret that next. [ female announcer ] think a thick cream is the only way to firm skin?
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>> while the republican leadership has remained quietly supportive of president obama, conservative commentators have been on the attack. first, there's the obama isn't doing enough line of attack. >> how is president obama doing on egypt? >> i don't think they have a clue. i think it's very frightening to watch this administration. >> would anybody? >> well, reagan would have had. i mean, reagan would have thought about and studied radical islam. and reagan would have had a strategy and would have pursued it. >> is that right? reagan would have pursued the
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terrorists. you mean like the ones who bombed our marine barracks in lebanon, killing 241 service members? oh, no, that's right. reagan cut and run from lebanon after that attack. or maybe gingrich means he would have pursued the radical islamists to make a deal with them. as he did when he sold them arms for hostages in the iran contra affair. no one was more accommodating to terrorist demands than ronald reagan. the second line of attack on president obama is that he's done too much, that he shouldn't be on the side of the protestors. in fact, rm toer deputy of assistant secretary of defense and current lunatic frank gaffney theorizes the president is in cahoots with the muslim brotherhood. >> the obama administration's policies are being viewed through and articulateding and now implemented through influence operations that the muslim brotherhooded is running in our own country. you cannot possibly get your strategy right, you can not execute it effectively if you
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don't know that the enemy is actually giving you advice on how to proceed. >> cuckoo for coke co-puchs. he thinks the muslim brotherhood is about to take over the country. and they're conferring with the president and giving advice. first, it was reagan running from or making sweetheart deals with terrorists. then george w. bush launching senseless wars for so-called democracy. today, details of don rumsfeld's new book has come out. rummy says bush insisted on new military plans for iraq just 15 days after september 11. meaning they decided they were going to iraq no matter who actually did 9/11. if you think that's bad, according to the pentagon note, four hours after the attacks -- four hours -- rumsfeld said, quote, my interest is to hit at
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saddam hussein, not to only look at ubl. ubl being osama bin laden. don't focus on those who did 9/11, but attack a random middle eastern country that had nothing to do with 9/11 that they wanted to attack anyway. prosecute republicans can't decide whether we should make deals with terrorists or invade random muslim countries. they can't decide if they should blame president obama for being for mubarhosni mubarak or again mubarak. you'll excuse president obama if he doesn't take their foreign policy advice too seriously. joining me now is will bunch, senior fellow for media matters of america. he's also the author of the book "tear down this myth -- the right wing distortion of the reagan legacy." that's pretty relevant that you would be here then.
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>> how's it going? >> they're celebrating reagan, 100 years, et cetera. was reagan the worst president we've ever had on terrorism? >> well, i think if president obama did some of the things that president reagan did when it came to terrorism, i think he would be crucified if that's the right word. i think you nailed some of it in your intro. i mean, that comment from newt gingrich about how reagan would have thought about and studied islamic fundamentalism. i hope so because he came into office right after the iranian revolution of 1979. if he hadn't studied islamic fundamentalism, then he wasn't prepared to be president. look at what he did in member non. he sent american marines over there with no clear-cut mission. it was a muddled mess. then there was a bombing which over 240 americans died, and as you rightly said, he made a decision which i think was probably the right decision, which was to take those marines out of lebanon. but any president who did that
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today would be accused of cutting and running. at the time, though, i think it was common sense to try to get out of a terrible policy in the first place. right after that, then americans started getting taken hostage in lebanon and reagan's response to that was to try and get them out by trading arms with the iranians, our supposed enemies. >> he made a deal. he made a deal with terrorists. >> you know the thing about that is, it didn't work. they ended up taking more hostages at the end than when he started. >> reagan is a recipe for what the republicans don't want happening now. negotiating with terrorists, cutting and running, et cetera. let's go from the clowns of yesteryear to the clowns of today. beck has this theory about how the caliphate is going to take over and obama doesn't understand it. let's look at that. >> i79 to show you the coming insurrection. here's egypt, libya, tunisia. what's next to tunisia? algeria, also on fire now. the riots are starting here.
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morocco is on fire. what's across from morocco? spain. connected to france and germany and italy. also on fire. and greece, also on fire. it also spreads up here. you have the uk and ireland, already with riots in the street. >> uk and ireland. when do you think dublin falls to the islamic caliphate. >> if somebody had given that speech on the street kwocorner new york city, they probably would have been involuntarily committed. i just absorbed myself in beck for the last year doing another book called "the backlash." conservatives are all over the map. they don't know what they want in the middle east. they're so committed rhetorically to pushing for democracy, except democracy, when they realize it might get them someone they don't like, then a all of a sudden they don't like democracy. >> oom i can't figure it out.
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every day they come out with something new. mubarak is bad and obama is with mubarak. oh, obama is with the protestors and they're muslim. i don't get it. they're both muslim, who do i criticize? >> they don't know. and the bottom line is our policy over in the middle east has been not so good for decades. we've supported dpik tai to eed supported all kinds of civil rights violations. and we supported these dictators and sum zms that are not democratic. and so now it's a bind. if you open up democracy it's like oh, my god, they might vote for people who are anti-american. one piece of good news that's not getting a lot of attention is impressions of the united states have improved dramatically sing president obama came into office since he gave that speech in cairo in 2009. maybe that's something to grasp on to. >> you see that? the islamic caliphate likes
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obama. and if his approval numbers are low in those numbers, oh, obama screwed it up. >> they just criticize, they don't care if it's logical or not. thank you so much for your time. we appreciate it. >> thanks a lot, cenk, anytime. >> the top republican has asked private corporations how he can help them destroy regulations they don't like. now he's gotten their wishlist is and is starting to do theired bying. also, karl rove saying something that might be even dumber than mark kirk. oh, yeah. v8 juice gives you 3 of your 5 daily servings of vegetables. v8. what's your number? [music playing] confidence available in color. depend® colors for women. looks and fits like underwear. protects like nothing else. depend®. good morning.
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great day. >> being in congress pays, especially if you're a freshman or a republican. wall street journal reports that big corporations have given roughly $2 million combined to the political action committee of the 80 new republicans in the house. the journal explained, quote, it's all part of a biannual cycle where newly elected lawmakers tries to raise money and interest groups seek to curry favor with new faces.
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in other words, it's organized bribery. you get elected, they pay you, you do their bidding. very simple. hey, tea party, how's those republicans working out for you?
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>> remember a few weeks back when house oversight committee chairman darryl issa asked 150 corporations for help on what to target to deregulate. basically asking them, what can i do for you? well, they responded. big time. so far issa has refused to release their responses, but 33 companies responded to a request for citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. so we have a sample of their wishlist. the american chemistry council wants issa to crackdown on a recent proposal to increase the epa standards on boilers and incinerators. those regulations would cut down on pollutants that are harmful to children. who doesn't want more pollute at that particular times that are particularly harmful to children. then there's a national
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multihousing council. who doesn't like the epa safety regulations that prevent contractors from releasing lead-based paint into the air during home renovations. so they say the renovations pose a major obstacle to housing market recovery. more lead for everybody. and the flamability test for children's mat tress. so your kids could be pumped up full of pollutants, and poisoned by lead paint but it wouldn't matter because they could be sleeping on mattresses that can burst into flames. you do need a careful balance of safety for the public and efficiency for business. but in this case, the republicans are only listening to the companies whose soul interest is in making more money. the less regulations there are, the more money they make.
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20 regulations, health care retirement benefits, financial reform, and environmental regulation. these guys are against ceos having to disclose their earnings, they don't want protections for whistleblowers and they really don't like the regulation of greenhouse gases and the gop is working hard to appease these guys. a bill to eliminate epa regulations of car emissions. lovely. two representatives released the following statement, we firmly believe that federal bureaucrats should not be unilaterally setting the climate change policy. of course not. it should be left up to big business. joining me now is david sirota,
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author of "the uprising." the republican part, how bought are they? 80%, 90% or 100%? >> that's an impossible question. but one thing, cenk, give darryl issa credit, right? he came out and was honest about how the system works. i mean, i'm saying that a little tongue and cheek, but here's the thing. he came out and said listen, big money interests, you want to buy policy, here's how you buy it. you tell me exactly what you want and we're going to try to deliver. and the problem with this is really in a process way is usually what's happened in the past is industries hood to come to the government and testify and tell us what they wanted. now he's doing it through this letter-writing situation where the public won't necessarily know who's asking for the policy when it ultimately fits into the bill that the republicans offer. >> how do they do it? i guess they do it with the money, right? they get the money from the industry guys, they run for office and pretend to be for
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president people and turn around and say okay, how do i pay you back? how do we let people know these guys aren't an your side. you have to suffer pollution in your local area or whatever. it's for the guys who pay their bills. >> i think the public knows that in a general sense. i think the public is rightly suspicious of congress, rightly suspicious -- every poll shows suspicion of money and politics. but every time a story like this comes out, it reiterates just how grandular it really is, legislating different lines, different regulations of bills. it's important to continue highlighting this to reiterate that money, as you suggest, money buys things in politics, just like it buys things in the rest of the economy. >> real quick, david. do you think they're going to be successful? they're going after the epa hard. how successful do you think they might be? >> i think if the democrats roll
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over -- and that's a huge if right now -- the president is focussing on being, quote, unquote, pro business. that may be the president tries to appease the republicans, schilling iffer their big money interests, and we may see that come to fruition when it comes to epa policy making. >> let's hope it doesn't happen, but i'm a little worried. >> david sirota, thank you for your time tonight. we'll be right back. ho meowners , rates have been going up, but you can still refinance to a fixed rate as low as 4.5% at, where customers save an average of $293 a month. call lendingtree today.
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despite the fact that have karl rove has been fear
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mongering about the egypt, he still has a certain amount of optimism. why? he says egypt tends to be more western in their orientation. >> egypt is not the run of the mill middle eastern country that views itself exclusively or even primarily through an islamic lens. this is a country that has a long and proud tradition where people view themselves not as simply followers of mohammad, but these are the people who are descended from ramses and cleopatra. and as a result, they tend to be more western in their orientation. >> how are ramses and cleopatra more western? they're from egypt. look, she looks so western. no wonder she's more civilized. as for ramses, charlton heston played him in

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